The ACLU and the NSA's ex-director will debate spying on June 30th

BYJon Fingas @jonfingas18 hours ago

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If you've wanted the NSA and anti-spying campaigners to sit down and hash things out, you're about to get your wish... well, sort of. MSNBC is holding a surveillance-themed debate between former NSA head Gen. Keith Alexander and ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero on June 30th. When the two sides meet at 10:30AM Eastern that day, they'll argue over whether or not the NSA is making Americans safer; suffice it to say that there are going to be some fierce disagreements.

While we're sure that many would prefer that the NSA's current leader was involved, you'll at least get to play a part. The TV network is not only taking some questions from the audience, but letting it influence the results online; you'll get to vote on where the debate should go, and say who you think is winning. We're expecting a draw, but it should still be interesting to watch one of privacy's biggest advocates square off against one of the NSA's most prominent defenders.

[Image credit: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Flickr]

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Verizon fought the NSA's metadata collection program but lost anyway

It looks like Verizon's concerns about government snooping go beyond publishing transparency reports -- but also haven't had much of a tangible effect. The Washington Post understands through both a declassified ruling and sources that Big Red quietly challenged the constitutionality of the NSA's call metadata collection in January, only to be shot down by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in March.

The company had been hinging its case on Judge Richard Leon's non-final ruling that the NSA's surveillance is unconstitutional. FISC Judge Rosemary Collyer, however, argued that Leon's opinion was "unpersuasive." She sided with earlier precedents claiming that people have "no legitimate expectation of privacy" when they hand data over to third parties, such as telecoms. Collyer also didn't believe that the scale of any data collection determined whether or not a search is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment, and rejected notions that metadata was likely to reveal private information. As you might imagine, civil liberty advocates disagree with this interpretation. TechDirt notes that there's a big difference between targeting one person versus the entire US, that many do expect privacy, and that it's entirely possible to track people using metadata.

Verizon isn't confirming that it filed the challenge, which redacts the source of the complaint. Provided that the Post's sources are accurate, though, Verizon was the first carrier to dispute the constitutionality of the NSA's activities; Judge Collyer noted that no other network had tried this before. We don't know if other firms have attempted something since, but they may not be eager to follow in Verizon's footsteps knowing the likely outcome.

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